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african-americans. he thinks we're all stupid. >> do you think he thinks that? >> i believe so. >> he's been explicit. >> thanks to all three of you. that's it for "all in" this evening. >> she has audio recordings from inside the white house. the former apprentice contestant turned white house aide is being taked by trump himself and on the mueller front rudy giuliani tries to recover from a huge contradiction and the mueller team rests its case against paul manafort and will the defense put the man anywhere near the stand. the 11th hour on a monday night starts now. and good evening once again from
our msnbc studios here in new york as we begin a new week. our lead story has to do with two people that gained fame in the reality television business, it would be a grave mistake to dismiss what we are witnessing right now as a tabloid dust up between the former host of the apprentice and a former contestant. the host went on to become president. the contestant was in his administration. her departure was sudden and ugly and now she has a book out and it turns out she has recordings from the inner sanctum of the trump white house in the situation room in the white house of her own firing by chief of staff john kelly. >> i think it is important to understand that if we make this a friendly departure, you can
look at your time here in the white house as a year of service to the nation and then you can go on without any type of difficulty in the future relative to your reputation. >> and then there is this, the recording she released today of the phone call she said she had with the president after her firing. >> omarosa, what's going on. i saw on the news you are thinking about leaving. what happened? >> general kelly came to me saying you wanted me to leave. >> nobody told me about it. they run a big operation but i didn't know it. i didn't know that. >> yeah. >> i don't love you leaving at all. >> those recordings along with others that she is as she has of others have brought a ton of criticism and backlash from the white house as you can imagine and this comment from the president.
when general kelly came on board he told me she was a loser and nothing but problems. i told him to try working it out if possible because she only said great things about me until she got fired. just a few hours ago omarosa explained to our colleague chris matthews why she taped conversations. >> i am so glad i didn't. nobody would believe me if i didn't. >> she has revealed much more about the white house. this is what she shared on the network earlier today about trump. >> the president talked often as you will see in unhinged about how important it was to tape your enemies and make sure that you had information on your enemies. >> you think he has taped people? >> he threatened comey. he said, you know, you have to watch out. there might be tapings.
>> she said this about the interview that president trump gave to msnbc news last year in which she discussed the firing. >> he was being prepped by hope hicks to say that they came up with a memo so that they could justify the firing. definitely a hope hicks press secretary type of things. >> if they prepped him to lie. >> every day. >> did you ask the question why we are lying? >> all the time. >> the answer was? >> this is how they do it. this is the trump administration. >> this is her assessment of the president's ability to do his job. >> the book is called unhinged, who does that refer to? >> donald j. trump. >> do you think he is mentally competent? >> i don't think he is fit. as we heard, he does not even know what is happening in the
white house. >> that was part of the media tour today. the explosive allegation involves her allegation that he heard the president using the n-word during a season of the apprentice and discovered the tape's existence during the 2016 presidential campaign and that is when she informed key members of the trump campaign staff. >> i immediately called laura and eric. eric's wife to share what i had learned. we had those conversations. i had those conversations with her, laura trump. i called her to tell her what i heard and what was happening. she wasn't surprised. she was in damage control mode. >> she appears to mean that she has those conversations on tape. tonight the president sent this response on twitter saying mark brew net called to say there are no tapes of the apprentice where i used such a terrible and
disgusting word as attributed by wacky and deranged omarosa. i don't have the word in my vocabulary. she made it up. look at the recent quotes saying wonderful and powerful things about me until she got fired. she has zero credibility with the media. they didn't want interviews when she worked in the white house. now she is as bad about me they will talk to her. fake news. laura trump, again the wife of eric trump, had this to say to sean hannity tonight. >> what an incredible opportunity she wasted. the president gave her a chance to make a difference and take care of people she claimed to care about and squandered it for this fictitious book. >> the white house has called them lies and false allegations, omarosa claims she has more
information that could be damaging to the white house. >> do you have any other recordings? >> plenty. >> anything mueller would like to see? >> it has office calls again i will share. anything they want. >> you think trump should be impeached? >> at this point, yes. >> ashley parker, white house reporter for the washington post. good evening and welcome to you all. ashley, let's set the scene tonight. you had the president steps down the hall from the lincoln bedroom in the residence portion of the white house on social media quoting the creator of the apprentice denying his use of
the n-word. the president in an aggravated state may have met his match. someone pointed out both people are playing by reality television rules, the spooling out of stories in a slow motion basis. what has it done? what will it do to the west wing? >> well, first that is one of the things that the president, until recently, appreciated about omarosa. everyone else in the west wing didn't like her. he appreciated her sense of drama and her sense of sort of reality showmanship and that is one of the reasons that he kept her around. what it does to the west wing is that it creates another level of headache as we have discussed. omarosa is not credible.
the president and the white house pushing back because of their depending on the person and the day their lies or mistruths are also not credible. but in this case it puts the white house in a scandal they don't want to take part in. it elevates omarosa and puts the president in a horrible mood. talking to people in the west wing a lot of people never liked her. they are saying publicly no different than they were telling us privately. about you when you have the president going out and tweeting about this, that is a headache for everyone in there who tried to run the government. >> eugene, you have written a column that says of course omarosa has taped. in it, it is hard to take omarosa's record for anything but lordy she has tapes and they offer vivid proof that donald trump's white house is part clown show, part nest of vipers. eugene, all yours. what are we witnessing? >> well, that is what we see. this is a white house full of the kind of people that tape
conversations. private conversations with their colleagues and co-workers, including in the situation room. she taped the chief of staff of the white house, she taped the president and others. i have no doubt that she has other recordings. this is not the way that a white house is supposed to be. omarosa just by herself, just saying x happened has zero credibility. she has as little credibility as president trump in that situation. but she has documentary proof when she has recordings and documents. those stand up. and if she is writing a playbook on how to attack donald trump, and how to get under his skin playing by his rules. >> mike, lawrence o'donnell tonight highlighted the obvious and then set it apart by underscoring that we have never
in the history of the republic had a senior aide come public to expose the president using recordings taken in the white house. lawrence's point is that we never have seen senior staff of this caliber hired by white houses in the past. >> yeah. that is one of the many moving parts of this. we have the lord of the flies management theory in the white house with constant violence feeding on a public institution and now becoming the worst elements of cheesy reality show television. i look at the fight between omarosa and president trump. they are similar people, massively ethically challenged and untrustworthy. there is nobody that you can root for. you don't know who to believe because they are both liars. i have decided that my position
will be that i am going to believe the worst things they say about each other because i am closest to the truth with that. but there is real damage to the institution here. so much of her book deal, trumps profiteering, the egos, the corruption of the public institutions. i think it will pass but it is doing damage to the country and the documentary evidence as the other panelists and as you have said breaks it through the depressing reality show circus in to real, true things that show you just what it is like inside the white house. >> yeah. sooner or later here we are talking about the presidency that belongs to all of us. ashley, at least there are nondisclosure agreements. i read your reporting on this tonight. fill the audience in on why it would be a problem. they are kind of coin of the realm in places like hollywood and in certain industries,
people agree never to talk about what they see and read and experience. why is that a problem in the west wing when working for uncle sam? >> well, first of all, nondisclosure agreements are basically for all intents and purpose when you are a government employee and not pledging your loyalty to trump personally unenforceable. people can sign or not sign them. they are very hard to enforce. i think the fact that president trump, we at the post have gotten our hands on a cup of a nondisclosure agreement. he tried to make one in the white house described to us and one omarosa was encouraged to sign after she left. the fact that they are so pervasive in president trump's orbit all the way into the white house underscores a more key point. this is a president at the top is fostering a culture of leaks and in-fighting and audio
recordings and back stabbing where you have staffers as omarosa articulated on the network today who said they learned from the president that you need to tape things and you always need to have fodder on the enemies to deploy and behave in these ways just to survive. i think that is the culture that we are seeing. the ndas were his attempt to halt that, about you it certainly did not work. >> i am go to play something for you. let's remember who omarosa was from the pbs frontline documentary after the election. >> every critic. every detractor will have to bow down to president trump. it is everyone who has ever doubted donald. who ever disagreed or challenged him. it is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.
>> eugene, that was then. that is who she was then. do you think the president and the white house would do well to have a certain amount of fear for what this woman knows and has in her possession? >> they definitely should. she is trumpier than trump. what trump has on his side is complete and utter shamelessness. he will do anything. bite, gouge, kick, scrape, whatever, lie. he will do whatever he has. she has even fewer boundaries i think than he has. she certainly will match him transgression for transgression in a fight like that. i do think that they have reason
to be concerned about what tapes that she has. about what she will say. she has very little credibility without documentary evidence. but she believes in putting it out there massively. i think that there will be, you know, we won't be able to shut her up. >> mike, of course no discussion of american politics over the last few decades has been complete without a mention brune he of los angeles and reality television show fame is now, like it or not, a public certifier of the president on a pretty key point omarosa has been holding out. >> yeah. his entire reputation is at stake and he ought to be thinking about that. one footnote, for her regardless of the violence, for her to tape a conversation in the situation room is a huge breech of professional white house standards and she should be prosecuted for it. >> all right. >> just for her actions. >> all right. we will take it. we know a quote to go out on.
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>> the president said i never -- i never said anything about flynn. comey said that he told me to see if i would give him a break basically. so we have three defenses to that under article ii of the constitution you can't question why the president has the power to say something. what he was saying is justifiable. he didn't say you must or have to. he said consider it. number three, he never said it. >> that is rudy giuliani's latest response to questions about now the infamous meeting of president trump and now fired fbi director, james comey. over the weekend giuliani backtracked that the president did in fact ask comey to stop investigating michael flynn and his ties to russia. this was giuliani on cnn sunday. >> i want to be clear what happened in that conversation
with comey about michael flynn. what did president trump say? >> there was no conversation about michael flynn. >> you told abc news last month the president told comey can you give him a break. now you are -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. >> you are saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he is asked that question. >> this is what giuliani said last month. >> how is he a good witness for the president if the president was asking or directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go. >> -- by that time he has been fired. >> meanwhile trump's legal team is expecting a response for a sit down with mueller. they are expecting the response sometime this week. most recently giuliani said the president would answer questions about collusion but not about
obstruction after the election. comey's firing would be off limits and now the trump legal team is setting time limits. mr. giuliani said the president is open to talking to mr. mueller under limited conditions but in a new development said mr. trump would not sit for an interview after september 1 because it would interfere with the midterm elections. here with us a former assistant u.s. attorney with the eastern and southern district of new york and sam stein is back with us, politics editor for the daily beast. sam, beginning with you because you can say whatever you wish. what are we witnessing? is this just letting it fly? >> can i say whatever i want? >> well, within reason i guess. >> probably not professional. it is letting it fly.
this is not a coherent legal strategy by any stretch or not even an effective one or not even an effective pr strategy. rudy giuliani is not there to serve the president as a lawyer in the traditional sense. he is there as a political hencheman. part of his task is to simply muddy the waters and insist that things he said a month ago he never said to keep moving the dates in the negotiation goalpost. what he gets out of this is not entirely clear expect for the fact they convinced a fair chunk of the population essentially that what robert mueller is doing is the equivalent of a political witch hunt, out there looking to trip up donald trump in any way possible and that robert mueller is inclined to
find any wrongdoing wherever he can find it and it is not pertinent to anything that happened in the 2016 election. to a degree they have been successful. opinion of the mueller probe dropped among republicans and among viewers of fox news which is where rudy giuliani and trump fans do a majority of their cadence. >> sam, to your point tonight on fox he went after john brennon as opening up a new front. counselor, does any of this matter? does any of what rudy is saying immediately affect his client other than the ways we talk about on television? and how much of it is the staff of robert mueller paying attention to? >> my answer to that is none. i do not think they are paying attention to this. i think this is just noise for the prosecutors and the investigators working for the
special counsel depends what type of court you are trying your case in. is it a strategy that would work in a court of law? it would work in the court of public opinion? maybe. but i don't think what giuliani is saying in interviews or in twitter, none of that will matter to the special counsel. what matters is what the witness says. and more importantly under oath. giuliani could tell five versions of the same story and i don't think that will ultimately matter to the special counsel. >> i want to show you what the president said to the "washington post" about the famous trump tower meeting. i want to get your reaction to this. don has received notoriety for a brief meeting that many politicians would have taken and most importantly and to the best of my knowledge nothing happened
after the meeting concluded. first of all, people pointed out you don't hear the word using that phraseology to the best of my knowledge. >> that is what we lawyers use. >> are you struck by anything else there? >> what is striking is that it does not matter. we know that events did happen after the meeting. we know wikileaks released a lot of material. for a legal theory it does not matter. if you are talking about a conspiracy, which is what we want to be talking about opposed to collusion, you don't have to have something that happened. you would have had to have an agreement between two people that they were going to do something illegal and took one step.
whether or not it happened to his knowledge or not is irrelevant in a legal perspective. >> hardball tonight chris asks omarosa do you have anything mueller would be interested in and she makes a point to say if he calls me again, absolutely. did that get your attention? >> yes. yes. you know one of the underlying elements of the book toured is that she feels deep regrets and has receipts. how deep they go is intriguing. putting aside what you think about her character and ethics. obviously there are criticisms of both, she is producing hard tapes and they do matter in the court of public opinion and to the court of law. don jr., one of the clauses that struck me was the clause about how any politician would have taken the meeting. that is ridiculous. not true. most politicians would have referred the inquiry to the fbi because that is what you do in those situations. it goes to a bigger issue that the meeting, the idea that you would sit down with people
promising dirt on your opponent who had ties to the russian government has become accepted as something that happens. part of it is the pr campaign and what the trump campaign has done. it is a remarkable thing. i keep thinking that if that meeting were not exposed now as opposed to a year prior. if we found out about it now it would have been a crisis for the presidency. it would have been a complete breaking point for the mueller probe. but we have baked it in to the cake and the statements helped to bake it in. >> turning into more of a slow motion crisis. appreciate having both of you on tonight. coming up, prosecutors in paul manafort's trial rest their case. what happens next as the jurors wait to begin their deliberations when we come back.
detailed false paperwork and misleading information from manafort's applications including outstanding debt, undisclosed mortgages. the president of the bank rejected the loan request but the decision was overturned by the bank's ceo who according to another witness was hoping to get a top job in the trump administration. tomorrow manafort's attorneys are expected to reveal whether or not they will call manafort to the stand. with us to talk about all of it two people that were in court today. a former assistant u.s. district attorney for the southern district of new york and a "los angeles times" reporter. daniel, we are very glad you were willing to dip into the court proceedings as our special correspondent. what struck you as this of all days for the prosecution to rest their case? >> the one thing that really stood out is the ceo that you mentioned. it is almost as if the defense was starting to lay the foundation for an argument that paul manafort is so dirty that the real reason he got the loan is not because he committed bank fraud but because he offered to
do a personal favor for the ceo by trying to get him an administration job and for them to set up the argument saying hey, this might be a bad guy that did a bad thing to get the loan, but it is not the bad thing charged in the indictment. you have to say that it is not guilty. >> i am holding the e-mail in my hand where the bank ceo talks about the job titles he would like secretary of the army, treasury and ambassadorships, uk, france, germany, big allies of ours. talk about the nexus between the trump campaign and the manafort case. >> this is one of the most interesting parts of the trial. this is one of the few places that the trial overlaps with politics and the trump campaign. most of the charges have nothing to do with the campaign or paul manafort's work on the campaign. over here is a situation where a bank ceo allegedly wanted a job
so much on the campaign and therefore afterwards in the trump administration is willing to put up his own company's money, $16 million, to secure himself a spot in that administration. a job he did not eventually get. >> daniel, prediction. does manafort take the stand? would you put him on? and how much of a case do you think the defense will mount? >> i would be shocked if manafort took the stand. defense's view is that we were going to attack rick gates and put it on him. we got good traction from the cross-examination on that and we are not go to mess with it putting manafort on the stand. because it is their theory i think they will not call any witnesses at all and play the government did not meet their burden defense saying we don't need witnesses because they didn't even make their case. >> wow!
that will be interesting to watch. chris, what do you want answered? >> well, i want to see what the defense will do and if they have other information about rick gates that would undermine his credibility. they asked questions was rick gates honest in this moment or that moment. could they show he was not honest? we don't know. we are not sure. hopefully we find out more tomorrow. >> we realize court begins early in the morning. we appreciate you taking time at this late hour bringing us up to speed. thank you gentlemen very much. coming up for us president trump suggests today's firing of a prominent fbi agent proves the russia investigation is a total fraud. we will ask another fbi agent about the very thing when we come back.
strong -- peter strzok is without a job tonight. according to strzok's attorney the fbi deputy director ordered his firing on friday overruling a recommendation he be demoted and suspended. peter strzok posted a message saying deeply saddened by the decision. it has been an honor to serve my country and work with the fine men and women of the fbi. said attorney added the decision to terminate was taken in response to political pressure and to punish special agent strzok for -- strzok led the early investigation into possible links between the trump campaign and russia and became a lightning rod for the critics of the special counsel after anti-trump text traffic became public and was removed from the investigation. president is looking for more
based on the fact that strzok was in charge of the witch hunt will it be dropped? it was a total hoax. just fired agent strzok who was in charge of the crooked hillary clinton sham investigation. a total fraud on the american public and should be properly redone. earlier on the network -- >> back in the fbi academy in your earliest days it is grained into you above all things never embarrass the bureau. that is what pete did. yes, he was a great counter intelligence agent. the damage that he did to the incredible perception of the bureau which has to remain apolitical can't be recovered
from and his effectiveness is gone. that is why he is out of the bureau today. >> let's talk about this with stephanie douglas. she worked closely with peter strzok and the fbi deputy director and is senior managing manager at guide post solutions. do you concur with what frank just said and what do you make of the players in this case and the damage to the fbi? >> well, i do think that the scandal around the sending of political texts by peter strzok to lisa page back and forth has had a significant impact on the bureau. at no time can the bureau afford to look like it is basis or political in any way. while the inspector general report said they could not identify any action tied to
basis or political leanings, it still reflected very, very poorly on the fbi. >> so, that standard that frank was talking about. it's possible that this is a good person and on top of a terrific career of counter intelligence he did a bad and foolish thing. because of that exposure, he had to go. is that about right? >> yes. i mean pete strzok is an incredible agent. he was well respected in the fbi. he was well liked. he had a stellar career up until a year ago. but the long-term impact of his actions on the fbi really led to what i think they felt like they had no choice to make and that is terminating pete strzok of the fbi. >> we discussed this on the broadcast before, a very tough time for the federal bureau of investigation. and let's be honest in part under regular attack for the
first time in the history by the president of the united states. do you consider that a de facto victory for our russian adversaries? >> well, i mean any time that the russians or any other nation state actor can muddy the waters with disinformation, producing chaos as part of any kind of process, it really goes to their benefit. i do think that this is just another part of probably not even what they could have possibly anticipated as such a successful campaign. >> how if you are one of the 36,000 employees of the fbi. i know you do not know all of them. you know the place pretty well. how do they do what the director has instructed them to do, keep their heads down. try to seal out the noise and do their jobs? >> you know, i think that it is
incredibly difficult right now and i think that it has been difficult for a while. there is so much constant talk about the fbi. there are so many personal attacks that are pointed at the fbi that it has got to be hard to be there. but with that i think that, you know, the leadership. the director and the deputy director are doing the very best they can to clear the way so that the men and the women can get back to work. some of that on friday with the deputy's decision. he wants to put an end to it and get people back to work. >> what does it mean to you as a veteran of the fbi, any time we toss around the name mueller which we do a good many times every evening. when you say mueller, you mean the second longest serving fbi director in the history of the bureau. >> yes. director mueller left the bureau incredibly well respected. you know, i think that it is
telling to only very few people really trying to attack director mueller in his role as special counsel. people are hard pressed to attack him directly and it is because of his personal integrity. >> the name used the most on the broadcast and the person heard from the very least. there is no second place on that score. stephanie douglas, we appreciate you and your forthright answers to your questions at this interesting time for your beloved bureau at the fbi. thank you for joining us tonight. and coming up after the next break, the politics of donald trump and his era have torn some families apart, but it usually is not as public as it got today. we will have that when we come back.
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once a day, easily once a day, a major publication publishes an essay about the death of civility in our country. it's been said that before our current political time, the era of trump, perhaps, we didn't have the power to tear apart families based only on the politics in our country. perhaps you know a family torn apart by it. well, we don't often see it quite so publicly. for example, virginia republican congressman bob good late is retiring.
his own son is making it no secret that he's supporting the democrat running for his dad seat's this november. yesterday, bobby announced on twitter, quote, i just gave the maximum allowed donation to jennifer lewis, a democrat running for my father's congressional seat. his father, the congressman, shares the house judiciary committee and was among those who interrogated the now fired fbi agent, peter strzok, during a hearing last month. today, the son took another public shot at his dad, saying, quote, i'm deeply embarrassed that peter strzok's career was ruined by my father's political grandstanding. that committee hearing was a low point for congress. the political family discord also extends to the west wing of the white house. immigration hardliner stephen miller, he of the trump white house senior staff, has been raked over the coals by his own uncle, in a scathing op-ed for political. miller may be best known as the architect of the zero tolerance crackdown on the southern border. but his uncle points to the family's rich immigrant history. he says miller's grandfather fled violence in eastern europe with just $8 in his pocket to make a life in the united states. he calls his nephew an immigration hypocrite. he says, quote, i have watched with dismay and increasing
horror as my nephew, who is an educated man and well aware of his heritage, has become the architect of immigration policies that repudiate the very foundation of our family's life in this country. he goes on to write that had his family not migrated to the united states, they likely would have been killed by the nazis. another break for us. coming up, a big thing and a small thing, both having to do with the president's decidedly military backdrop for that bill signing earlier today. we'll have that story when we come back.
last thing before we go here tonight, as we said, it was both a big thing and a small thing from earlier today, when the president flew up to ft. drum in update new york, he did so in order to have a military backdrop for the signing of the giant annual pentagon funding bill. as busted and broken as toxic as congress has become, one of the few things they usually manage to do with astounding regularity is pass the defense bill. more unusual was the fact that john mccain's colleagues in the senate named the bill after him. it is officially the john a. p s. mccain national defense authorization act for fiscal year 2019.
mccain is a genuine american hero and former p.o.w. he also happens to be chairman of the armed services committee. he's been absent for months, of course, while battling terminal brain cancer. so, it was a big deal that his name appears on this $700 billion spending bill. so, it may seem like a small thing for the president to read mccain's name as part of the title. he did not. >> the national defense authorization act is the most significant investment in our military and our war fighters in modern history. and i am very proud to be a big, big part of it. we would not be here for today's signing ceremony without the dedicated efforts of members of congress who worked so hard to pass the national defense authorization act. >> at a later event, the president relitigated the failed health care vote and he replayed senator mccain's memorable role
in killing it. >> obama care, we got rid of the individual mandate. i would have gotten rid of everything, but as you know, one of our wonderful senators said thumb's down at 2:00 in the morning. as for the reaction to today, mckhan's fellow navy veteran, former secretary of state john kerry said, disgraceful, but nothing will erase the legacy john mccain has written and is still writing every day. and not surprisingly, mccain took the high road today. quote, i am humbled that my colleagues in congress chose to designate this bill in my name. servinging a chairman of the senate armed services committee, and working on behalf of america's brave service members has been one of the greatest honors of my life. that is our broadcast for a monday night. and as we all start a new week, thank you so very much for being here with us. and good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
♪ well, this morning fired from the fbi, agent peter strzok, who came under heavy gop criticism for a series of anti-trump text messages he sent during the 2016 campaign now out and the president is weighing in. plus, the feud between president trump and former white house aide omarosa appears to be escalating with the her claiming she has more recordings. new overnight, a car crashes into a barrier outside parliament in london. police say a number of pedestrians were hurt and the driver has been arrested. ♪